Current Third Parties: Can a “Limited Hangout” Case be made?

In this episode I discuss ‘Third Parties’ in US politics, invite our viewers to examine the main reasons for the ‘Weakness’ or ‘Lameness’ of current third parties and collectively investigate whether the weak third parties option is by design- Could this be a case of a ‘limited hangout’ of third parties for a dog and pony show only? What say you on the possibility of the current third parties being a “Limited Hangout” to maintain the illusion of choice?

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  1. Interesting question. At a minimum we know that by requiring 15% polling #’s and giving them no media coverage to generate such a polling result, it is almost impossible for them to be taken seriously by sufficient # of people for them to be even a minor threat. The only 3rd party candidate in my lifetime who threatened to possibly win was Ross Perot, and he dropped out of the race for 3 months during the summer, claiming that black ops under President Bush threatened to create doubt as to his daughter’s sexual orientation right as her wedding was coming up. By the time he rejoined the race after her wedding, his momentum was shattered and he still got about 19% of the vote, which was enough to give Bill Clinton the presidency over Bush.

    On the other hand I do truly believe that Bernie Sander’s run in the democratic primaries was a limited hangout. HRC was not only a weak candidate, but the neocon and neoliberal policies had reached a point where a change of direction was necessary. The neocon wars were failing to gain the desired ends and the neoliberal economics had fallen into endgame with negative interests rates, nonexistent growth, rampant unemployment and dependence upon government subsidy for survival. It was time for a clearing of the decks and the creation of a fall guy so that the deep state could reinvent itself. All that needed to happen was to push Hillary’s past in the face of enough voters so that she would lose. So Bernie softened Hillary up by pointing out her history of creating needless wars that made the world stage worse and of taking money from the major corporations who wanted the policies her husband had gotten passed that gutted the middle class and so powerfully increased inequality. Then they encouraged the press to push the fringe candidates over the Jeb Bushes and then they brought out the Comey reopening of the FBI case and ‘allowed’ the Julian Assange email dump to happen and then they ‘allowed’ suppression of black voters in the swing states. And Bernie got a new house and who knows what else.

    By the way, Bernie campaigned for Bill Clinton after he passed all the legislation that was so against all that Bernie has supposedly stood for his whole life – such as GATT, NAFTA, the repeal of Glass Steagall, the elimination of welfare for millions of children, the changing of laws so as to make incarceration of young black males the new slavery (very profitable), and etc. Bernie has served to provide the illusion of a left wing of the democratic party for some time.

    I first began to suspect that there was a plan to have HRC’s opponent win when the Republicans stonewalled Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland, an older more moderate candidate that was possible if HRC won. At that time, March 16, the Republican primaries showed no candidate who showed any hope of beating Hillary. Why would they refuse to consider Obama’s nominee who would better serve their interests unless …………………………….

  2. Newsbud just failed to raise the necessary funds to continue..

  3. VoiceOf Arabi says:

    Does a Single World Government Exists today, and How does it work??

    if we explore this question, we will understand why the USA Gov and voting will not work.

    Today, USA is controlling All of Europe via NATO, IMF and other means, The last European country that said “NO” to USA was France back in 2003, and they paid a high price for that “silly mistake”.

    Today, USA is controlling All the Middle East (except Iran & Syria), and no country dares to say no, otherwise they receive either the “Libyan/Syria package” or the “Iran Package”

    So, that is way over half the world covered by a “single” World Government, that’s divided into “states”

    So, The question is “How do they keep control??…

    Simple… design a system that rewards corruption, and ensure that the “Right” people get into power (by right people, i mean corrupt people that can be black mailed).

    There.. a Single World Government right under our nose.

  4. Based on the outrageous successes of immediate past and historic myths and fabrications – the sophistication and degree of mind fuck we endure every single day…yes. Witting and unwitting. Yes.
    JimStonefreelance : ” Go to Jill Stein’s fundraiser page and watch the progress. You will see that her funding is coming in at a PERFECTLY CONSISTENT 160,000 an hour. I watched this yesterday and last night carefully, and noted that at night, when everyone is sleeping and right through the time when the whole world slows down, her donations for this came in like clockwork, with no deviation from the steady pace whatsoever. The only way that can happen is if a bot was set up to fake her getting donations from multiple people, and whoever set it up did not consider the fact that practically everything would come from America, and practically everyone is asleep at 3AM. LAST NIGHT IT SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN. IT DID NOT. IT JUST MARCHED RIGHT TOWARD THE FINISH LIKE AN OBEDIENT SOLDIER. It went straight to 2.65 million by six AM. I can calculate: IT WILL GO TO 4.5 MILLION IN 28.125 HOURS. Oh, a few people will pitch in for real, so I’ll say 27 hours. ”

    This ,being the case; the argument would be made.

  5. When the Libertarian presidential candidate backs the TPP, you know the libertarian party is owned and captured by the powers that shouldn’t be.

    What is this vote recout thing about? I mean, are they going for riots and martial law? Will they really force Killary in? Are they going to use Trump as some sort of false revolutionary instead of just a presidential candidate that is somehow, despite being ludicrously rich, is not part of the establishment?

    What is the end game?

    I will say it once again though, the only way to control these parasites is to surveil, impoverish and imprison them. Anyone entering into government at any level should be surveiled non stop for life, impoverished for life, and forced to live in special areas for life.

  6. Some of u people have way too much paranoia going on. Even Sybel seems to be getting caught up in the paranoia. U people act like the Empire controls absolutely everything ! They are not that omipotent or unified. They fight each other sometimes. They compete. They argue. They disagree with each other a lot. They are not omniscient, omnipotent gods ! There are many forces and influences at play in the world. Many energies, many happenings. They control a lot but not everything !

  7. Montague Thielen says:

    Perhaps not “everything”. But a lot of things. And certainly the most important “things”. Like the banking systems of the free world, for instance. And the markets. And the majority of the governments. And the major corporations of the world.
    Hmmm….. seems to me that should be enough to concern most folks.
    The challenge for NB as a source for truth will be to unravel the yarn which these people have spun around themselves and their endeavors. A herculean task to be certain, but one which Ms. Edmonds and her associates are quite adept at.
    My sincere hope is that sites like NB will be persistent in their pursuit of the corruption that permeates our society today. And that “average citizens” will join in the cause.
    We all have a stake in this folks. It’s called FREEDOM!

    • I didnt say it shouldnt concern people ! Obviously it should. Nor did i say that Sybel and the others were not adept at what they do ! I have been supporting Sybel and Newsbud and James and Corbett Report for long time and they are two of the best if not the two best Alt media sites there are ! If u had read my other posts you would know that but you obviously havent. Sybel is one of my favorite people on this entire planet ! But that doesnt mean i have to fall at her feet and pretend shes absolutely perfect or that i agree with her on every single detail ! And as for what i said in my last post i stand by what i said and always will ! The Empire is run by a relatively few people at the top and they DONT have absolute power ! For instance they dont control the Green Party no matter how paranoid about that that some people may be. The Green Party is, so far, a true party of the people, uncorrupted and honest. Obviously not perfect, duh, who is ?! To think that they are controlled by the Empire or that Jill Stein is a puppet of the Empire is blind stupidity and anyone who thinks that obviously knows little or nothing about her or her party ! I will stand by Jill Stein and the Green Party no matter what anyones paranoia about them says ! I dont always agree with them by the way but nearly always ! Also, i donate to each phase of this Newsbud project, so i dont appreciate your attitude but also like i said im not a blind follower and im sure Sybel wouldnt want people to be ! She wants truth and honesty not yes men and blind followers !

  8. Tom. Lets just clear up the funding for recount before standing with anyone. Either the millions were true crowd funding or they weren’t. Either the funds came from ‘the people’ speedily determined for justice, or they were bled into the system as a program from hidden hands as reported by Jimstone. Quote:”(Nov 24) This pattern was nailed with precision up until noon CST, and then they shut it off right around 2:30 before it could hit the next “waypoint” at 6:10 PM. Just back calculate. She hit 4,000,000 at noon. She started it up at 1:30 the day before. That is 22.5 hours. Divide four million by 22.5. It comes out to 177,000 dollars an hour. A few people chipped in during the day, to add a little to the top of what the bot continuously ran at – 160,000 an hour (as shown in earlier reports on this page.) Ok so she has so far raised almost 4.5 million on THANKSGIVING DAY and the night before. FIGURE THE ODDS when her entire campaign did not hit 3 million. Yet she did THAT on THANKSGIVING??!!?? WTF, OVER! Now that they switched the bot off you can see the difference, donations are only creeping in now. I don’t know if they figured she had enough, or they figured out we knew what was going on.”
    Are these numbers accurate, is the question. If they are, Houston has a problem. Thats all.

    Meanwhile, Vanessa Beeley’s excellent expose of ‘DemocracyNow’ at 21stcenturywire…..

    • Oh look at that. A double post. what fun.

    • Theyre probably being used if thats true but theyre being used for a good reason. I just heard today that the Hillary people have joined in on the push for a recount, maybe theyre behind it or her bankster buddies but as Bernie Sanders said recently recounts happen frequently so in a way its no big deal. Like Jill said the reason for it isnt cos they think its gonna change who becomes President but because we need a system thats honest and accurate ! Anyway what does it have to do with the Green Party platform or Jill Steins integrity ?! Nothing ! Its standard procedure according to Bernie ! So what ! Somebody wants it done so they poured a lot of money into it ! So ?! Good, lets have it ! Lets fix it ! What is the point of what youre saying anyway ?!! Someone could just as easily say that Newsbud and you people who seem to be against every political party are really working for the Empire by trying to get people to not vote and give up or just bitch and moan or divide and conquer so that the Empire can completely take over and impose martial law and install whoever they want to in the government which is what they would do if people let that happen !! It would make as much sense as saying what you seem to be saying about the Green Party ! Any group could be labeled an Empire backed group ! Its ridiculous and begins to look like paranoia after a while ! Of course theres going to be strange things happening, sabotage, slander, influencing as much as possible, all kinds of stupid nonsense done by the corporatacracy to manipulate and deceive people and try to stay in power or have more power, theyre sick fucks, theyre demented, depraved psychopaths and greedy scum ! Thats the kind of shit they do all the time ! So youre just letting those scum fool you and turn you against the Green Party and Jill Stein which is exactly what those scumbags want ! They fooled you on that ! They will do much worse against Jill and her party as they grow and gain more power ! And u will probably believe those scum ! They will use your paranoia or anything they can against you, they are masters of that whole demented game they play and they thrive on it theyre so depraved ! When a party of the people arises i will support it unless and until it becomes corrupted in which case i ll swith to a new one thats relatively pure ! And right now that party is the Green party with Jill Stein and many other good people in it ! Jill Stein is as great a person as Sybel but doing what shes does instead of what Sybel does ! Shes a truly great woman and deserves our full support no matter what kind of shit the Empire pulls ! But thx for your opinions !

  9. sure. apart from ‘being used for good reason’…. thanx for yours ! makes sense. except the paranoia…….although….lately……may be……

  10. Greens Speak Out on Recount and Our Commitment to an Independent Party http:// [www]

    “We write to reaffirm our commitment to building a Green Party that has a radical analysis of the society in which we live, and promotes bold solutions to transform our society and address the root causes of those crises; a Green Party that is independent of the two money-dominated parties.
    There is a deep social crisis in the US. This crisis manifests in countless ways. One of its central manifestations is through the political system. People have legitimate concerns about the electoral system, which is manipulated through wholesale voter disenfranchisement, massive voter suppression and the racist and undemocratic historical logic of the Electoral College. In all fifty states, voters from poor and marginalized communities, especially Black people and other communities of color, have their votes suppressed and are excluded from participation through various practices.

    The Green Party cannot build the political power necessary for the transformative changes we need by allying with two capitalist parties that serve the interests of the wealthy. That is why it is imperative that the Green Party is independent of those parties. We stay independent to give people an alternative to the corruption of two money-based parties. Greens reject donations from corporations and their political action committees to ensure we are accountable to the people and so that the people’s agenda is not superseded by the corporate agenda.
    There are significant electoral reforms needed to make elections more democratic and more representative of the people. While we support electoral reforms, including how the vote is counted, we do not support the current recount being undertaken by Jill Stein.
    The decision to pursue a recount was not made in a democratic or a strategic way, nor did it respect the established decision making processes and structures of the Green Party of the United States (GPUS). The recount has created confusion about the relationship between the Green and Democratic parties because the states chosen for the recount are only states in which Hillary Clinton lost. There were close races in other states such as New Hampshire and Minnesota where Clinton won, but which were not part of the recount. And this recount does not address the disenfranchisement of voters; it recounts votes that were already counted rather than restoring the suffrage of voters who were prevented from voting.
    As a candidate, Dr. Stein has the right to call for a recount. However, we urge the GPUS to distance itself from any appearance of support for either Democrats or Republicans. We are well aware of the undemocratic actions taken during the primaries by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Greens cannot be perceived to be allied with such a party.
    We remain committed to the Green Party’s four pillars and ten key values, which have at their foundation grassroots democracy. We urge the GPUS to prioritize its efforts on building our party from the bottom up, working and organizing in direct solidarity with our state and local parties and alongside and in defense of the rights of those most affected by the injustices of a capitalist, white supremacist and undemocratic system. This includes support for local efforts to prevent the disenfranchisement of people of color via voter suppression or because of felony convictions and to be more inclusive and participatory in our decision-making processes and work.”

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